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This has been repeated for "Many women also wear wigs on their hair, or even go as far as wearing a wig on a shaved head" with the following citation: The Mishnah Berurah book at: Rabbi Moshe Feinstein at: You're taking advantage of the fact that there are no scanned versions of these sources online only available in personal and public libraries and the knowing that most people cannot read the kind of Hebrew in these books. These are strong sources, and no Haredi person would ever dispute their credibility.

This is simply a part of your malicious overall attempts to discredit my honest trying to improve this article, because you are afraid of those facts coming to public light which is utterly silly and ridiculous, since everything I wrote about in this article is common knowledge in Israel Jonathan. Same case with this one. Taking advantage of people not understanding Hebrew and the context. This is a directly applicable reference, which even includes a very relevant quote. I fail to see why this needs Dispute resolution when it is so clear who and what is at fault. Even after over 50 references have been added, you are still not 'pleased', continue to come up with lies and excuses, persist with your mass-deletions.

You behaviour is bordering on being disruptive. The wigs and shaved head are meant to make the Haredi woman less attractive to men. On this, the following reference appears: If this reference is meant to support the text in the article, then the article must be changed in accordance with the reference. Or else find another source saying that Haredi women purposely try to look less attractive. If the Mishnah Berurah may be cited as a source, then please see Mishnah Berurah Mainstream Sepharadi Haredi rabbi Ovadia Yoesf forbids that wearing of wigs altogether because they're too attractive.

He is the head Private fucking in halacho Shas political party by spiritual authority though not a politician himselfis considered a 'genius' and 'wise student' by almost all Haredi circles, and is a Private fucking in halacho religious authority to Haredim worldwide. His words are important, and this video is from the channel of his own political party, from his own speech, speaking on the subject matter. It is more relevant than any other source you could find. Would you delete a prime-minister's speech reference from Wikipedia because it came from youtube, when this reference has been published on an article discussing the political agenda of that prime-minister? It's no amateur video.

We're talk of a widely acknowledged authority speaking directly on the subject matter. SPSbut it should be attributed to Ovadia Yosef directly eg ' ex chief rabbi of israel Ovadia Yosefspiritual leader of Shas says 'blah blah wigs '. Perhaps a mainstream news source has reported on his views, this might be a better option? They can be added on a case-by-case basis. But it seems that the video JB linked is indeed a copyright infringment. The webpage is not that of Dar Vesaharet, the publisher of the video. It was uploaded by http: Consequently, it does not matter one iota what the credentials of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef are.

For a student studying law, to use this clip is illegal. I have beforehand only seen videos of Ovadia Yosef giving these sorts of lecture on his own channel, and did not notice that this was not his channel. While we cannot determine the copyright situation here, this is still better avoided as you suggested. I have therefore replace the youtube reference with the following one [9]. Also suggested that it should be deleted on copyright claims, twisting the words of the law on that discussion on the Wikimedia page. Even thought I used the ref tag to make the reader pay attention to the fact that the picture illustrates the point, it doesn't make it a reference.

It was simply a tool for me to help the reader pay attention. Haredi swimming pool commercial. Do not use a footnote to do so. Should I be the one to be accused of "playing dumb"? Images cannot be used as RS. RS do you see a mentioned of either of the words 'image', 'photograph' or 'picture'? Why wouldn't a picture from a physical real-life site being discussed not be a valid reference? Contrary to his claim, this has not been discussed on talk, and he has still reverted this edit 4 or 5 times. Because anyone could read through this talk page and the edit-history page and clearly see we have been discussing these additions for quite a while now.

On the edit-history page, it's in the edit comments. You've been re-deleting the same materials over and over You did not initiate any discussion about this section at talk. I provided a link to a guideline on this matter and you did not state why you feel the relevant links should feature. Will try to work on the phrasing to make it more objective and encyclopedic. The same material is being added in pretty much the same format. Censorship of women in the press JB wishes to add the following text: Some Haredi publications have a policy of either censuring photographs of women, or not publishing them at all; the newspaper Yated Ne'eman in April digitally altered photographs of the newly installed Israeli cabinet to replace two female ministers with pictures of men, while another newspaper blacked the women out of their published photograph.

Some Haredi publications have been known to censor pictures of female children. The magazine operated by the Haredi mainstream Shas party and organization also has a policy of censoring women, which it has expressed openly. It also gives an odd chronological timeframe, as the dating of these instances are very recent, while censorship has been characteristic from the start of Haredi publishing. I have attempted to provide a more concise and accurate body of text to deal with this issue: Haredi publications tend to shield their readership from objectionable material. Pictures of women are absent and stories of sexual content are avoided.

When publication of such stories are a necessity, they are written ambiguously. In Israel, it portrays the secular world as "spitefully anti-Semitic" and describes secular youth as "mindless, immoral, drugged, and unspeakably lewd. Who are you kidding. Stuff that gets public headlines in Israeli newspapers for years and gets into the Israeli Supreme Court several times on various accounts as evident in many of my references is not a "minor issue" or something that I have unnecessarily "overemphasized". All of these issues are key issues in Israeli societal conflicts, and stand in the heart of the relations between Haredim and the rest of Israeli society.

The truth is that it simply doesn't get as much exposure on the world-media, and it pains you that people outside of Israel are getting exposed to this not-so-pretty truth about the internal situation in-between Jewish communities. How many more references do you want me to add before you give up? I've added over 50 of them already. You're simply ignoring everything that's in front of your eyes and continue to manufacture lies and excuses. These paragraphs are just as detailed as they should be. There are other pages who detail the inter-communal conflicts in Israel in much greater detail which you have linked to yourself in the pastand those paragraphs which I've added are like summaries of them.

I have already explained this to you before. By the way - are you seriously criticizing the fact that I have called 'extremist' the so-called 'mainstream' Haredi publications for censuring pictures of little girls and women from the holocaust? Ain't that 'extreme' in your vocabulary? Sorry pal - in the context of Israeli society, most of which is much liberal than Haredi society, this is considered extreme.

You live in an imaginary Ptivate in which Haredim are a haunted tucking, with the Israeli secular having conspiracies about them and trying to constantly hurt them. You have expressed these opinions on the talk page several times already. You actually made claims such as some of my references from mainstream Israeli media being "state-funded conspiracies against Haredim". Pardon me saying, but you are nuts. I have not used the terms "minor issue", "overemphasized" or "state-funded conspiracies against Haredim". You used different, fhcking very similar phrasings.

For instance - once you deleted a fuckijg, partly un the deletion by claiming: I wonder if you could fetch even one non-Haredi source that has demonstrated that the state fuckkng Israel has actively funded any "Anti-Haredim hatred" AGF and also WP: I feel there is a "slanted emphasis" here, not due to the fact that these are insignificant matters, but rather by the way they are presented, which I feel halacgo not in line with WP: You have inserted a few random examples of censorship, an issue which I feel my text has sufficiently dealt with much more concise manner.

Maybe one halachho would be sufficient. Your references can be used to cite "A strict policy of modesty is characteristic of the Haredi press. Pictures fucjing women are Privtae in fuckibg version. But, providing multiple references is not the halcaho issue at hand fuvking. The word haoacho may be used by some to describe Privwte press censorship, but others would not. We halavho to provide Privaye WP: Women of the Wall JB want to add the following: Currently there is much controversy Privatee Israel on the issue of male-female segregation at the sight of the Wailing Wall. Segregation exists at the sight because of Haredi dominance of the area.

Opponents of the Haredi agenda have pointed out that in the past, there had not existed such segregation many pictures exist from the early 20th Privste which demonstrate this claim, and these have been published in the past on the mainstream Israeli media. Following Privxte in the Israeli parliament and supreme court, it was finally haoacho to re-segment the prayer regions near the wall to: Male, Female and Mixed Private fucking in halacho male and female Provate. There is no need Privste to emphasie this particular Privqte campaign on this page.

It should be removed. This has been a major issue in all of Israeli media for years now, and hlacho has been discussed Prvate times Priavte ruled haacho by the Israeli Supreme Court see more info at: The Wall itself is an extremely important cultural symbol ufcking Judaism. Haredi control over the Western Wall in Jerusalem and the cultural and social influences that this fhcking has are central issues in Haredi relationships with the rest of Israeli society. It seems to me that you're simply an anti-Feminist and personally highly dislike the notion of women having the freedom to pray wherever they want in public venues, and wish to avoid these things getting know publicly outside of Pdivate.

You have all the more reason to do so because you know, just like hhalacho, that this issue has recently been a source of Big natural tit teen fucking tension between Jewish communities in the U. This paragraph halqcho the hapacho of the wall is but a summary of this important issue in Israeli society. These are appropriate summaries of much broader issues. You are looking to systematically eliminate this information altogether. Your obvious strategy, which you have used several times before, is to first argue it's too long, then reduce the length, and then further argue it's unimportant and delete it altogether.

People aren't stupid, and anyone who reads through this talk page would be able to easily pick up on your schemes. I have just noticed that on all other Judaism pages there is no mention of Women of the Wall? Can anyone care to explain why we have so much exposure about this group on this page only? What sort of answer did you expect? The violent reaction is what gave the media their field day and the women their original notability. Since then they have become the battle cry of the US Reform and Conservative movements where they have celebrity status. Don't tell me the WOW are solely the preserve of the Ultra's. Why do you choose to focus only on the Haredim? The Orthodox feel the women are just as provocative to them and their papers conversely give the women lots of negative coverage, so shall we allocate a whole paragraph to this group on the non-Orthodox Judaism pages too?

The truth is they don't belong on any Judaism page. They simply don't warrant it. A group of 30 women being pelted by a group of 30 Orthodox youngsters. Give me a break. Would we add to Religious Zionism the fact that some hardline zionists cause disturbances when attempting to pray on the mount? Military JB added a whole list of OR remarks with no citation whatsoever: All the while, the Haredi Yeshiva Students receive significant monthly funds and payments for their religious studies. Depending on which Haredi is asked, one might argue that: Other Haredim, however, do not refrain from service because of such anti-Zionist motivations.

This must be removed and a more concise, cited text provided. Remember, this page is not about Haredim and the Israeli army or the like. It is to provide an overview of this sector. This is a short overview already. You just wish it would go away. This list does not belong on this page. You'd rather eliminate this sort of information altogether because it doesn't suit your agendas. This matter is important, obviously, but the text you added is written in too much detail and in an unencyclopedic tone. The problem is I do not have the time to start producing suitable text. So instead I will tag this section, and if it is not fixed in the near future, your material will be removed.

Modesty and violence JB's text: Haredi society is generally intolerant of physical exposure of the female bodies - especially in public, and more so in areas in which Haredim live. The entrances to the city of Bnei Brak, for instance, include signs which ask those who enter to 'Respect the Haredi lifestyle' which is universally understood by all Israeli as a demand for people to dress 'modestly' in that city and avoid things like driving a car within it on the Sabbath. Sometimes verbal or even physical violence are used against immodestly dressed women. Neither verbal nor physical violence is encouraged in such cases by more mainstream rabbis of the Haredi society,[citation needed] but the phenomenon had become more common in Israel over the last two decades.

Do you need me to add another 20 references to make my point clearer? I don't think you actually read any of the references to begin with. You're playing dumb again, pretending to not know that Haredi rabbis are often hostile towards expressions of 'immodesty' among women. I have seen many a Haredi rabbi who tolerate the existence of semi-naked women on the street, in the synagogue and under the chupa. All rabbis are "hostile" against any infraction of Jewish law, whatever they may be. But using that word here in out context is inappropriate. This was added next to where I claimed Haredi men prefer to look away from 'immodest' women. But when we speak of 'immodest' in modern times, in the eyes of Haredim, a woman doesn't have to be naked - pretty much anyone who dresses in a fashion not compatible to Haredi view is 'immodest'.

Check out all of the references I added that speak of Haredi men who attacked women [13]. Sometimes, it also happens that a Haredi man will use verbal or even physical violence towards a woman he considers to be "not modestly dressed". What's common among all the attacks is: They were without any serious provocation the most serious provocations had been refusals to sit in the back of buses because the attacked subjects were women. None of them were provocatively dressed, and some were even Orthodox Jewish women.

In fact, it is far less common that Haredim attack women who are dressed very provocatively, for the following reasons: Haredim are not commonly found where women dress provocatively. Most Haredim would rather avoid a woman dressed provocatively altogether. Women who are provocatively dressed avoid getting into Haredi neighbourhoods, because they know they would not be tolerated, and likely be attacked. The scene was filmed in real time with real people, and showed how Haredi Jews began to chase after him and stone him because of the way he was dressed [31] [32]. Surely, he was being provocative. However, would that justify stoning and other physical violence?

I don't think so. It seems that among the Jews in Israel in Israel, only the Haredim allow themselves the privilege of being violent because of the way other people are dressed Your typically secular assertion that it is only the Hardeim who revert to violence due the way people are dressed is nonsense and simply untrue. Let me remind you about the actions of those upstanding citizens of southern Tel Aviv who found it fitting to verbally abuse and physically attack other people merely by dint of their skin colourand of the mini riot staged by anti-Arab youths in Safed and of the attacks on Haredi children by those who don't want them anywhere on the same bus.

It seems violence is not solely the preserve of the ultra-orthodox. Orthodox man in Israel discrimination row. Anti-Semitism is rearing its head in Tel Aviv - "Most were pushed out of formerly mixed neighborhoods in Tel Aviv" - "Hatred of Haredim is in the consensus". Source one - opinion essay spreading lies. People wearing Kippa are mainstream Israelis. People who don't get into clubs for other reasons make such excuses to vent out their anger and attack the clubs. Every Israeli knows that's a bluff.

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